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Cable sobre la reunión en Pekín de la diplomacia china y estadounidense para tratar la desnuclearización de Corea del Norte

El legado chino insiste en la necesidad de conducir a Pyongyang hacia la retirada de armamento atómico

ID: 231224
Date: 2009-10-26 00:33:00
Origin: 09BEIJING2965
Source: Embassy Beijing
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SUBJECT: PRC: DEPUTY SECRETARY STEINBERG'S SEPTEMBER 29,
2009 CONVERSATION WITH STATE COUNCILOR DAI BINGGUO

Classified By: Political Minister Counselor Aubrey Carlson. Reasons 1
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1. (SBU) September 29, 2009; 3:00 p.m.; Zhongnanhai
Leadership Compound; Beijing

2. (SBU) Participants:

U.S.
----
The Deputy Secretary
Amb. Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., Embassy Beijing
Joseph Donovan, EAP Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of
State
Rear Admiral Charles Leidig, Joint Chiefs of Staff
Amb. Joseph DeTrani, Mission Manager for North Korea, DNI
Derek Mitchell, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of
Defense
Amb. Sung Kim, Special Envoy for the Six-Party Talks
Pamela Park, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary
Nancy Leou, Embassy Political Officer (notetaker)
James Brown, Interpreter

PRC
---
State Councilor Dai Bingguo
Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei
Guan Youfei, Ministry of National Defense, Deputy Director,
International Office
Zheng Zeguang, Director General, MFA North American and
Oceanian Affairs Department
Zhang Kunsheng, Director General, MFA Protocol Department
Yang Houlan, Ambassador for Korean Peninsula Issues
Li Song, Deputy Director General, MFA Arms Control and
Disarmament Department
Cong Peiwu, Counselor, MFA North American and Oceanian
Affairs Department

3. (S) SUMMARY: In a September 29 meeting with State
Councilor Dai Bingguo, the Deputy Secretary stressed the
importance of persuading Pyongyang to return to the path of
denuclearization. Dai said that the U.S.-China relationship
was off to a good start under the new U.S. administration and
urged the two countries to avoid "setbacks." During his
recent trip to North Korea, Dai said, he met with DPRK leader
Kim Jong-il for two and one half hours and Kim appeared to be
in reasonably good health. Dai said he had urged Pyongyang
to return to the Six-Party Talks. Dai's DPRK interlocutors
had responded that they wanted bilateral engagement with the
United States first and that they would consider next steps,
including possible multilateral talks, depending on the
outcome of U.S.-DPRK bilateral talks. Dai said that Premier
Wen's October 4-6 visit to Pyongyang would be another
opportunity for China and North Korea to exchange views on
the nuclear issue. On Iran, Dai said China and the United
States had the same objectives but that China would work on
Iran in its own way. China believed peaceful negotiation
would achieve a more meaningful resolution than sanctions
would, and, Dai urged, the United States should be more
patient. D responded that patience could not be unlimited in
light of Iran's continued enrichment program in violation of
UNSC resolutions. Dai assured the Deputy Secretary that China
and the United States would work together to prepare for
President Obama's November visit to China. Dai supported the
idea of a "concise and substantive" joint document to be
issued in conjunction with the visit. End Summary.

Full Strategy to Address North Korea
------------------------------------

4. (S) The Deputy Secretary met with State Councilor Dai
Bingguo for an eighty-minute discussion on North Korea, Iran,
and the U.S.-China relationship on September 29. The Deputy
Secretary stressed the importance of fashioning a full
strategy to address the DPRK nuclear issue and having a
unified position among Six-Party Talks partners and allies
that would lead to an effective and diplomatic resolution of
the problem. He expressed support for Premier Wen Jiabao's
October 4-6 trip to Pyongyang and said both countries should
work to persuade Pyongyang to return to the Six-Party Talks
and to reaffirm the 2005 Joint Statement. The United States
was prepared to have meaningful, substantive engagement with

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a senior North Korean official and would use the any
bilateral discussion to encourage Pyongyang to return to the
Six-Party Talks. The Deputy Secretary expressed appreciation
for China's efforts to implement UN Security Council
Resolution 1874.

U.S.-China Relations on Positive Track
--------------------------------------

5. (S) State Councilor Dai said that President Obama and
President Hu had had several opportunities to meet in recent
months. After watching the two leaders interact in New York,
Dai observed, the two presidents appeared to be "old
friends." Dai thanked the U.S. Government for its "careful
arrangements" for President Hu's visit to New York, as well
as for National People's Congress Chairman Wu Bangguo's
recent, successful visit to the United States. Dai expressed
appreciation to President Obama, Secretary Clinton and
Treasury Secretary Geithner for their personal contributions
in making the Strategic and Economic Dialogue (S&ED) a great
success. Dai was confident that the S&ED would have a
positive global impact and confided that China had already
begun thinking about the next round. The U.S.-China
relationship was off to a good start under the new U.S.
administration despite some "unpleasant things." Dai urged
the two countries to keep up a good momentum in the bilateral
relationship and to work hard t
o avoid "setbacks."

Dai's Visit to Pyongyang
------------------------

6. (S) Regarding his recent visit to Pyongyang, Dai briefly
recounted his two-hour meeting with DPRK leader Kim Jong-il.
Dai said he was on relatively familiar terms with Kim,
because he had met with Kim on several occasions in his
previous role as Director of the Chinese Communist Party
(CCP) Central Committee International Liaison Department
(CCID). Dai admitted that in contrast with his discussion
with Vice FM Kang (see below) his conversation with Kim was
not as direct and candid and joked that he "did not dare" to
be that candid with the DPRK leader. Dai noted that Kim had
lost weight when compared to when he last saw him three years
earlier, but that Kim appeared to be in reasonably good
health and still had a "sharp mind." Kim told Dai that he
had hoped to invite the Chinese official to share some liquor
and wine, but that because of scheduling problems, he would
have to defer the offer to Dai's next visit to North Korea.
Kim Jong-il had a reputation among the Chinese for being
"quite a good drinker," and, Dai said, he had asked Kim if he
still drank alcohol. Kim said yes. Dai said he also met
briefly with Kim Yong-nam, President of the Supreme People's
Assembly, who invited him to attend the performance of a
famous Chinese opera, "The Dream of the Red Chamber."

7. (S) Dai said that he had had frank and blunt discussions
with DPRK First Vice Foreign Minister Kang Suk-ju that
totaled over two and one half hours. Dai said he told Kang
that denuclearization should be Pyongyang's first choice and
that it was important for North Korea to return to Six-Party
Talks. He had stressed to Kang that the Six-Party Talks
mechanism was useful and explained that the ultimate
resolution of the Korean Peninsula issue could not be
resolved without the participation of the Six Parties.
According to Dai, Kang responded that North Korea was still
committed to the goal of denuclearization. Dai believed that
the North Koreans had not categorically denied the Six-Party
Talks and opined that under the right circumstances, it might
be possible to revive the Six-Party Talks process. Dai's
North Korean interlocutors had emphasized the strong security
threat it faced. The North Koreans told Dai that they wanted
to have dialogue with the United States first and that they
would consider next steps, including possible multilateral
talks, depending on their conversation with the United
States. North Korea held "great expectations for the United
States," said Dai. DPRK officials had told Dai that North
Korea viewed former President Clinton's visit to Pyongyang
positively.

8. (S) Even though he had not had an opportunity to visit or
observe any place other than Pyongyang, Dai said, his
impression of North Korea was that the domestic situation
appeared stable and normal. Dai opined that the DPRK

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appeared focused on two issues: improving its relationship
with the United States and developing its economy.

U.S.-DPRK Bilateral Engagement
------------------------------

9. (S) China was aware that the United States was considering
possible re-engagement with North Korea and supported
U.S.-DPRK bilateral discussions, said Dai. With bilateral
dialogue, there was "no limit to how far you could go."
China appreciated U.S. understanding and support for Premier
Wen's upcoming visit to Pyongyang. President Hu had already
informed President Obama of the trip. Dai explained that it
would have been "impolite" for China to not reciprocate with
a high-level visit to Pyongyang after DPRK Premier Kim
Yong-il had visited Beijing in March for the 60th anniversary
celebration of Sino-DPRK ties. Wen's visit would provide an
opportunity for China and North Korea to exchange views on
the nuclear issue, stated Dai.

10. (S) The Deputy Secretary thanked Dai for sharing his
perceptions of the North Korea nuclear issue and stressed
that President Obama wanted to make clear to the North Korean
people and to Kim Jong-il that the United States did not have
any hostile intent toward North Korea. The United States was
ready to move forward to normalize relations with North Korea
if Pyongyang moved toward denuclearization. The Deputy
Secretary expressed hope that North Korea would agree to a
meeting between Ambassador Bosworth and First VFM Kang Suk-ju
to achieve that goal.

Iran
----

11. (S) The Deputy Secretary said the United States valued
the joint effort it took to create the P5-plus-1 foreign
ministers statement on Iran. He acknowledged that the United
States and Iran had a long and complicated history of
mistrust. The Deputy Secretary explained U.S. objectives and
stressed that all sides had to take confidence-building steps
that would lead to a diplomatic resolution. Recent
disclosures by Iran underscored the need to deal with the
issue urgently, and it was important that Iran give a strong
signal during the October 1 meeting that demonstrated it was
ready for serious engagement.

12. (S) Dai responded that China and the United States saw
eye to eye on the Iran nuclear issue. Nuclear states should
reduce their nuclear arsenal with the goal of eventual
elimination and should work to prevent other nations,
including Iran, from developing nuclear weapons. However,
China and the United States had different considerations on
how we advanced these goals. With a history of mistrust and
mutual suspicion between the United States and Iran, it would
not be easy to resolve the Iran nuclear issue. Dai urged the
United States to have more patience, address Iran's
legitimate concerns, and work to identify and expand on the
positive areas in the bilateral relationship.

13. (S) Dai characterized President Obama's policy to resolve
issues through dialogue and engagement as "wise." Sanctions
might work up to a point, but China believed peaceful
negotiation would achieve a more meaningful resolution. Dai
warned that pressing too hard might risk antagonizing Iran.
Iran was not a small country, it had a long history and
culture, and its people were not dumb. Dai urged the United
States to resolve the issue in a "smart" manner. One meeting
would not be able to resolve all problems, so the United
States lower its expectation for the October 1 meeting.
China would work on Iran in its own way and would urge Iran
to seize the window of opportunity. Dai said China and the
United States had the same objective, but said that each
country would play a different role in achieving that
objective.

14. (S) The Deputy replied that it was Iran that was
"impatient" in its ongoing program of uranium enrichment in
violation of the UNSC resolutions. The U.S. and the P5 1
would be more willing to be patient in discussions if Iran
agreed to suspend its enrichment and forgo its overall?
program. This would create an appropriate context for all
sides to address underlying issues of concern.


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U.S. National Security Strategy
-------------------------------

15. (S) Noting the Deputy's interest in "strategy" Dai asked
whether the Obama administration had an overarching national
security strategy. the Deputy Secretary said that the
National Security Strategy, which would likely be issued
before the end of the year, would articulate the
administration's global strategy. He noted that the
Secretary had recently identified major themes during her
speech to the Council of Foreign Relations, including the
importance of global cooperation in confronting today's
challenges. In that context, the U.S.-China relationship
would play a core role. Dai said he looked forward to
reading the strategy paper.

President Obama Visit to China
------------------------------

16. (S) Dai said that President Obama had recently told
President Hu that he looked forward to having a "magnificent"
visit to China. Asked how China could help achieve this, the
Deputy Secretary said the two countries should seek to
demonstrate to our peoples and to the international community
how the U.S.-China relationship would help address global
challenges in areas such as public health, nonproliferation
and the environment. The two countries should seek to
demonstrate how U.S.-China ties were between the two peoples,
not just between the governments, diplomats and leaders. Dai
assured the Deputy Secretary that China would work with the
U.S. to prepare a successful visit. It would be "great,"
said Dai, if the two sides could agree on language for the
joint visit document that would be "concise, as well as
substantive."

Global Nuclear Security Summit
------------------------------

17. (S) Asked about U.S.-sought outcomes and goals for the
Nuclear Security Summit, the Deputy Secretary explained that
President Obama had laid out the three pillars of his nuclear
policy during his Prague speech. The Nuclear Security Summit
was designed to focus on one of those pillars-the need to
safeguard nuclear material against theft or diversion. The
risk of proliferation had increased with the expansion of new
nuclear power programs and with the existence of unsecured
legacy nuclear materials in former Soviet states. We needed
to have assurances that the peaceful development of nuclear
power programs and nuclear research did not pose
proliferation risks.

The Same Boat
-------------

18. (S) The U.S.-China relationship was of crucial
importance, said Dai. China would do its best to cooperate
with the United States wherever possible. "If we expand the
pie for the common interest, the pie will be larger and more
delicious." Together, the two sides should work
collaboratively for the good of the world, especially since
the two countries were "passengers in the same boat." Dai
urged careful management of the relationship and respect for
each other's core interests and concerns.

19. (U) The Deputy Secretary cleared this message.
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